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11:25 AM
July 28, 2010
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Kit P
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This an interesting story.
With the sour economy, the cost of NG to make electricity has
decreased. This lowers the profit margin for wind offsetting NG.
http://www.renewablesbiz.com/a…..versed-now
Both coal and natural gas
exceeded 2,000 megawatts in new construction for the first half of
2010, easily surpassing wind's 1,239 megawatts.
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12:54 PM
July 28, 2010
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Interesting indeed. I like this quote, from that article;
Wind is a loser when new plants are being built by the private sector in an uncertain policy environment, while the costs of new fossil generation can be added to the rate base.
Or, in other words, fossil generation makes good business sense, and wind doesn't, unless the government mandates or subsidised it.
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1:08 PM
July 28, 2010
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Thomas
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This is interesting. I would like to see where this new coal production was placed. There are only a dozen of areas around the country where wind can truly be commercial. 2,000 MW of coal is at most 10 plants. You would need over 660 windmills for that much wind capacity.
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7:39 PM
July 28, 2010
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Kit P
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“Or, in other words..”
Well no and no. Who knew
that PualN could be wrong twice in the same sentence.
First PualN did not
recognize that the statement he quoted is incorrect and then he drew
the incorrect conclusion.
Sometimes interesting facts
are just a coincidence like in this case.
After all the permits are
approved, actual construction of a project depend on economic
conditions at that time and availability of equipment. Looking back
a few years at the trend in demand and the cost of generating
electricity with NG, coal and wind were no brainers. Wind was
limited by the production of wind turbines and not government
incentives. Since it takes less time to go from construction start
to online, all of those wind farms came on line in those previous
record years for wind.
Since those coal plants take
longer to build, they are just now coming on line now. Also new
efficient coal plants close to coal mines (nine to mouth) beat NG
everyday of the week. I just read of a coal plant that got the final
permit and started construction the same day. I drove through the
area a few years ago. It is about 100 miles east of middle of
nowhere Colorado and 100 miles west of politically correct Colorado.
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8:08 PM
July 28, 2010
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Kit P
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Thomas I can tell that no
coal plants are being built in California. No coal, regulations, and
poor air quality. There are some other places where it it not
politically possible to get PUC permission. Coal plants are being
built in Virginia, Georgia, and Indiana that I know of because news
stories.
Generally speaking building
a coal plants is done all over and is only local news.
Few wind farms are going up
in California (nimby) and in the Southeast (no wind). I suspect that
the only reason any wind farms are getting built is because of
stimulus cash which is not a bad way to make create jobs. Too bad
there are no Hoover Dams that need to be built.
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