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My Position Statement on a Variety of Energy Issues

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6:48 PM
March 18, 2010


Robert Rapier

Hawaii

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Welcome to the new R-Squared! Our goals here are to provide a place to engage in respectful and thoughtful debate about the very important issue of energy.

I thought it might be a good idea to summarize my positions on a wide variety of energy issues. Here I will attempt to briefly cover my views on oil, coal, ethanol (cellulosic, corn, and sugarcane), renewable diesel (green and biodiesel), nuclear power, solar power, wind power, and then climate change. I don't intend to cover a lot of ground explaining my positions in detail; I will save that for future essays.

The most important thing to note is that I try to let the data determine my position. But that also means that as new data come in, my position may shift. Therefore, my positions shouldn't be viewed as being etched in stone.

I try to take a scientific approach in which data have to constantly be sifted through, categorized according to level of credibility, and incorporated into the position as appropriate. Of course the categorization step is important, because there are studies that are funded by interest groups that I put into a vastly different category than independent, peer-reviewed research.

To put my positions into perspective, let me explain how I see the world. First, I view energy as one of the most critical underpinnings of our society. Without energy, modern society falls apart. Thus, I think energy policy is a critically important – and very underrated – issue.

I believe renewable energy is critical to our future. Development of renewable energy is what I do for a living. But I am also an advocate of responsible use of taxpayer money. But what I see a lot of in the world today is taxpayer money flowing to companies that are just out hyping their technologies. I don't want to see energy policy influenced by gross exaggerations, and yet that is the situation I see today. That is what motivates me to write.

Here is a rundown, with the briefest of explanations, on where I see the world of energy today. I will break this up in transportation fuels, electricity, and then a word on climate change. This list is by no means comprehensive, but I have tried to include the major contenders/pretenders.

Transportation Fuels

Corn ethanol – My position on corn ethanol is often distorted by supporters of U.S. ethanol policy. I am not against corn ethanol. What I am against are some of the policies that we have put in place, such as subsidies on top of mandates. The benefits of corn ethanol are typically exaggerated by various interest groups, and what I try to do is sift the real from the hype to understand what corn ethanol is actually delivering for the taxpayer investments we are making. That usually runs afoul of the hype, and thus I am painted as anti-ethanol. What I would like to see corn ethanol do is get the fossil fuels out of their operations.

Sugarcane ethanol – Has some distinct advantages over corn ethanol. Two of the key challenges for producing ethanol are logistics of getting low-energy-density biomass in, and the energy required to convert to ethanol and purify. These issues aren't much of a factor for sugarcane ethanol, because clean waste biomass is already at the plant as a result of the sugarcane processing. So they essentially have free boiler fuel, which minimizes the fossil fuel inputs into the process. That enables ethanol production that is relatively cheap, and that is largely decoupled from the impact of volatile fossil fuel prices.

Cellulosic ethanol – More hype than substance. This was the topic of my graduate school research in the early 90's, and even then there was a very long history. In fact, cellulosic ethanol has been commercialized multiple times around the world, beginning in 1898 in Germany. The U.S. built two plants during World War I and shut them both down after the war due to poor economics. Another was built in the U.S. during WWII in Oregon, never produced ethanol during the war, and was closed down after the war. During the past decade there has been a race to reinvent the wheel and become the "first" to commercialize cellulosic ethanol. Worse, groups doing gasification to mixed alcohols started calling their product cellulosic ethanol. But there are very fundamental differences.

Renewable diesels – There are two major types, biodiesel and green diesel. There are two different ways to make green diesel; gasification and subsequent Fischer-Tropsch or hydrocracking vegetable oils or animal fats. Biodiesel relies heavily on methanol, almost exclusively fossil-fuel derived, and will never in my opinion be viable without subsidies. The green diesels are expensive to produce, but have more long-term promise in being able to make a real contribution to the energy mix.

Algal fuel – A subset of renewable diesel. As with cellulosic ethanol, more hype than substance here. There are a couple of possible routes that could work, but right now algal fuel is a very long ways from the market. Beware of those who promise $2 or $3 fuel from algae.

Petroleum – While I have a background in the oil industry, I don't wish to see the world continue to rely on petroleum. There are many reasons that I will detail in a future post, but I think we have built a society that is far too dependent on oil. The consequences of oil shortages in a petroleum-dependent world are severe, and that is a risk that I don't believe we can afford in the long run. On the other hand, I recognize the reality that the world has long run on cheap petroleum, and we will need petroleum for many years to come. Thus, I don't favor punitive legislation that causes artificial shortages while demand is still high.

Natural gas – Much cleaner than coal for the production of electricity, and the U.S. is in a pretty good position with respect to supply. Can be used to produce electricity, heat homes, or even fuel cars. A key question for me in the corn ethanol debate is whether it makes more sense to directly fuel cars with natural gas instead of converting the natural gas into fertilizer for the corn and then steam for the distillation of the ethanol.

Electricity

Wind power – Cost effective in some locations, but hindered by the intermittent nature of the source. Some issues with bird kills and noise, but my overall impression of wind has always been favorable.

Solar power – I love the idea of solar power, but costs and intermittency are a problem at present for solar PV. Solar thermal may be a more cost-effective option, and it also has the advantage of being able to produce power after the sun sets (up until the temperature of the thermal mass gets too low).

Geothermal – One of my favorite clean electricity technologies. In the right location, geothermal can be a very cost effective and clean producer of electricity. Deep geothermal is another matter, as it has been linked to triggering earthquakes.

Hydropower – Same class as geothermal for me. While there are some issues, this is the case with all energy sources, and hydropower's issues are mild compared to some other energy sources. Comparatively, hydropower ranks very high on my list.

Coal – Very similar situation to oil. We have created a society that is very dependent on coal, and there are numerous environmental issues associated with coal. On the other hand, it is easy to see why we are so coal-dependent: It is very cheap relative to other fuel sources, and it provides reliable power. In the minds of consumers, cheap and reliable has historically won out over environmental concerns.

Nuclear – If you look at the projections for the growth of electricity demand – combined with the desires of many to see coal plants phased out – there is no other option than nuclear that can deliver the desired amounts of electricity. So I think we are going to need to expand nuclear power in the years ahead.

Climate Change

This is really too complex to summarize briefly, and in doing so I am afraid my position may be misunderstood. Whether you accept the idea that man is contributing to climate change, I don't believe it is a good idea to conduct such a grand experiment on the atmosphere because the ultimate consequences can't be predicted. However, I can't see any trajectory that will result in a global decline in CO2 emissions. Despite all of the best efforts (e.g., Kyoto Protocol), global CO2 concentrations continue to increase. As China and India continue to industrialize and improve their standards of living, they will demand cheap power. Any way I look at it, global CO2 concentrations will continue to head up until we start to run short of fossil fuels.

None of that is to imply that I don't think it is very serious issue. My position has long been that I am not an expert in the field, and so I defer to the experts. The consensus has always seemed to me that atmospheric scientists believe that the activities of mankind are contributing to climate change.

On the other hand, I also believe that the issue should continue to be debated. There is far too much rancor over climate change, with each side hurling accusations and insults. Let the debate take place in a respectful manner, and let's not try to shout down the other side, or suppress information. But at the end of the day, it just seems to me that our efforts to stop rising carbon emissions are futile.

I have certainly left out a lot, and major details are missing. Most of the energy options I mentioned above will be expounded upon in future essays. Or, if you don't want to wait, feel free to start that conversation yourself.


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7:11 PM
March 18, 2010


Robert Rapier

Hawaii

Moderator

This is just a test post to make sure the forum is working as designed.

 

RR

7:12 PM
March 18, 2010


Robert Rapier

Hawaii

Moderator

The first post was in the forum; this one is directly after the essay to see that the interaction is working as planned.

8:02 PM
March 18, 2010


Kinuachdrach

Guest

That's a pretty fair summary, RR. One exception — "climate change". Remember, not one reputable scientist has ever advanced a hypotesized mechanism for "climate change" — only for Alleged Anthropogenic Global Warming. The distinction is important, since it immedidately points out the unscientific fallacy of claiming that unusually cold winters are caused by Alleged Anthropogenic Global Warming.

[INTERESTING! --- Have just found out that the Return key does not work to start a new paragraph. This could make posts rather confusing]

Of course humans are having an effect on the planet. We don't need to hypothesize untenable mechanisms to argue for that.

The aspect that you did not address, RR, was scale. We know that we humans use an unimaginable amount of power now, and that must increase if we are to bring every human being up to a decent standard of living. One of the key tests to apply to all the post-fossil power sources is – Can they scale up?

When we apply that test, it becomes very obvious that we really need to get after nuclear power, and soon.

8:02 PM
March 18, 2010


Kinuachdrach

Guest

Even more interesting –
Return does not start a new paragraph in the Comment box, as one types, but does put a new line in the post itself. It would help those of us who are incompetent typists if the new line was shown in the Comment box too.

Also, the comment is not appended to the end of the thread, as in Blogger, but shows up in some inscrutable position. Teething troubles!

8:04 PM
March 18, 2010


Kinuachdrach

Guest

Then what shows up is something saying "Your comment is awaiting moderation".

Unless Consumer Energy Reports are planning to provide 24/7 moderation, this is going to be a real impediment to something like RR's blog that attracts contributors from Europe to Japan, going either direction.

Maybe it would be better to continue with RR's policy of self-moderation — post everything immediately, and then a moderator can expunge the occasional inappropriate posts and (in the limit) exclude repeat offenders.

8:16 PM
March 18, 2010


Samuel R. Avro

Admin

@Kinuachdrach

We want most of the regulars to sign up for the forums where they can open their own discussion topics and comment without any moderation.

Comments made here in the blog will get cross-posted to the forums, so you won't be missing out on anything if you carry on the discussion there.

We are still leaving open the option to comment on the blog posts themselves, however, first timers will need to have one post approved before they can comment on the blog without being moderated. Perhaps that will be changed in the future, we'll keep tabs on how that goes.

It's probably going to take a little time before we have all the issues ironed out, but it helps us immensely when the viewers tell us about any problems or suggestions they have.

There's a special section of the forum devoted to user suggestions. We want people to tell us whatever they feel will make the forum a better place for them so that necessary changes and upgrades can be made.

12:09 AM
March 19, 2010


Benny BND Cole

Guest

Excellent wrap-up of energy issues and perspectives by RR. I look forward to reading more of his blogs in this new format.

I look forward to the insights and friendly debates with RR and other posters.

12:31 AM
March 19, 2010


Petes

Guest

Haven't looked at the forums yet. Will try at least one comment in the Comments first. C&P'ing from TextPad to try to avoid K's CR problems.

Nice round-up RR … a useful one to point back to in future when you're accused of all sorts of extreme positions.

Kinu — regarding "not one reputable scientist has ever advanced a hypotesized mechanism for “climate change”" … that's become your rather handy standard refutation of AGW-caused climate change. But it holds no more water than saying "not one reputable scientist has ever hypothesised the mechanism which will cause tomorrow's weather" … but there will not only be weather tomorrow, but we can predict it by modelling which is, of course, how they predict climate change too. If you're hoping for/demanding differential equations you will be disappointed.

Finally, the commment moderation problem can clearly be ameliorated by banning all the Europeans :-)

12:31 AM
March 19, 2010


Petes

Guest

Oh, and, delighted to see that the Comments cookie-ises your name and e-mail. Having IE report security warnings and making you retype all the metanonsense every time on the Blogger comments page was torture!

12:43 AM
March 19, 2010


Petes

Ireland

Engineer

Logged in as forum user .. .checking that comments don't await moderation now.

12:43 AM
March 19, 2010


Petes

Ireland

Engineer

Neato!

 

UPDATE: Can edit posts now too (using a pretty ok WYSIWYG HTML-editor widget), so I can use this as a sandbox!

 

Is there a way to delete my comments also (since I'm being a bit experimentally spammy here)?

12:50 AM
March 19, 2010


Petes

Guest

RR – did you get your link to the forums wrong at the end of the post. I get a "Nothing found" page. And are you trying to fix it as we speak, 'cos I have two copies of the page open with different URLs, both apparently wrong.
1) http://www.consumerenergyrepor…..18/boards/
2) http://www.consumerenergyrepor…..es/boards/
… and the actual URL which I thinkk works (from following the forum links "manually" … http://www.consumerenergyrepor…..gy-issues/

12:54 AM
March 19, 2010


Robert Rapier

Hawaii

Moderator

Thanks Pete. Should be fixed now. The "Awaiting Moderation" should only happen the first time. It is just there to slow the spambots down. But once you are recognized as a real person, your comments should post instantly.

Cheers, and thanks for joining us here.

RR

12:57 AM
March 19, 2010


Petes

Ireland

Engineer

 

Petes said:


 

UPDATE: Can edit posts now too…


 
Is it true I can only edit my own comment while it is the last one posted. Seems once there is a new comment after it I can no longer edit.
 

(Yep, can seemingly update this one after posting it … but previous ones don't give me the option to edit. I guess it makes sense to save me from my own premature hits on the "Save" button, while not allowing me to change "recorded history").

1:48 AM
March 19, 2010


Matthew Wright

Guest


Solar thermal may be a more cost-effective option, and it also has the advantage of being able to produce power after the sun sets (up until the temperature of the thermal mass gets too low).

Actually it's not that it gets too low, In two tank molten salt binary systems (direct and indirect) the heated up 400,565 or 650 molten salt is pumped from the hot tank to the cold tank and the heat is taken out dropping it back to around 285C (It freezes in a binary salt of potassium nitrate 40% and Sodium nitrate 60% at 220C. So it's not that the temperature of the thermal mass gets too low, it is that the heat is extracted from the complete mass of salt, this is very orderly.

1:59 AM
March 19, 2010


KLR

Jr. Engineer

Hi Robert, forum seems to work so far.  That includes the return key.  Knock on wood.  It's a welcome change – forums have certain advantages over blogs; they're more back-of-the-napkin perhaps.  Definitely easier to maintain a discussion on. 

 

Some features that could stand improvement:  the box where you enter a post has no visible walls, it's somewhat disconcerting, like posting on the internet in heaven.   You have to type about a mile to get to the right margin, would be nice to tighten that up a bit. 

 

I attempted to set my timezone, it says timezone of server "unknown."  When you click on the "Learn about timezones" button it takes you to the wiki article…yes, I know about timezones, including how they're a plot by socialists to make red blooded Americans tired and confused.

 

OK, test post of image to go along with that absurd statement:

 

Seems to work.

 

Someone I'd like Robert's opinion of:  Craig Venter.  Leanan had a story about him today on TOD:  New man-made species could solve energy problems › Environment Blog (ABC Environment).  Always curious about his oil pooping bacteria, and whether this would overcome many of the hurdles associated with the usual algal production approaches.  

 

Right off the bat I think we should have a dedicated AGW thread, and never clutter up other threads with these arguments. 

8:46 AM
March 19, 2010


Kinuachdrach

Guest

PeteS – regarding “not one reputable scientist has ever advanced a hypotesized mechanism for “climate change””

Well, Pete – that happens to be true. There is something very unseemly (in a scientific sense) in taking a postulated mechanism which causes "Warming" and nothing but "Warming", and then claiming it applies to "Change", which includes cooling and warming.
One of the reasons that the climate crowd have lost credibility is that they have failed to police their own. When we see real climate scientists criticizing the Gores & Manns & Joneses for their excesses, the rest of us may take their discipline more seriously.

there will not only be weather tomorrow, but we can predict it by modelling Glad to hear that weather forecasting is so reliable in Ireland! Well, if the forecast is rain today, rain tomorrow, and rain for the rest of the month, maybe the high accuracy is understandable! :)

Sam — it would be really nice to get that carriage return issue sorted out. Pretty please!

10:12 AM
March 19, 2010


Ivo

Guest

Robert,

I have enjoyed reading your blog for a number of years. Now, in its transitioning phase, and considering the kind of expansion in coverage that you have in mind, I would like to suggest current energy usage efficiency improvements as one of the major new topics, if you don't mind. New and clean energy sources are all very nice, of course, but increases in the efficiencies of current practices can sometimes produce remarkable return on investment while leaving more resources for future usage.

Better insulation of the US housing stock, for example, could be performed by low-skilled laborers (and currently there is plenty of that available) while providing instantly better results in energy usage for a much lower investment than trying to make algal diesel work or building nuclear plants. Also, reliable mass transit in the US which would require less single-passenger cars on the roads. Another one – intelligent logistics models that would significantly decrease the need for wasteful local transportation like driving your car to the Post Office to pick up a letter from PO box.

I think such issues need much more coverage than they currently receive which may be because of current business setup would feel threatened. But then again, "rebellious" thinking has always been a part of your blog anyway. ;) All the best,

Ivo

10:50 AM
March 19, 2010


takchess

Engineer

Hi there,

Nice to see your new digs. Jim

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