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"No the most important thing is to have an objective criteria."

That is what you do when you let the data determine your position.

"The primary criteria for producing energy is to provide it when and where your customer needs it."

No, it isn't. Otherwise, we could have all the algal fuel and cellulosic ethanol you could ever want, at a price nobody could afford. Your criteria are meaningless without a price factor. If you don't consider that factor, then it will be no wonder why we see the word so differently.

RR

Petes said: 

Is it true I can only edit my own comment while it is the last one posted. Seems once there is a new comment after it I can no longer edit.

Yes, Petes. Forum members have the ability to edit their comments as long as no other comment was posted after that on the same topic thread. It's best that way IMO. But if the consensus of the members is such that they'd like to edit their comments forever, we'll definitely look at modifying it. For now it'll be left as is.

KLR said:

Another forum question – what's a "Feedkey"?

 

Can't upload an avatar, not on Firefox anyway. 

The feedkey is supposedly a unique identifier for private RSS feeds. I'm not 100% sure how it works myself, but I'll let you know on the Support Forum as soon as I do.

I'm going to open a new topic about avatar uploads in the tech support forum to discuss any issues with that there.

In the future, for the benefit of the flow of discussion on energy issues, please make your support and troubleshooting posts in the Support Forum. I understand that during the "teething" process a lot of the help questions will be interspersed within the energy discussion topics, but if possible try to keep things separate.

Thanks, Sam

@Kinuachdrach

Thank you for notifying us about the line skipping problem when using IE. It's fixed now.

As an aside, may ask why you're using the worst browser available? ;)

The difference being that RR is knowledgeable of NG but gets his information (data) about coal from journalists.

Kit, one thing you are not going to do here is continue to make disparaging remarks about other posters. If you have a point to make, then make it. This pattern of you arguing as you do above – not addressing specific points but instead making sweeping, general proclamations which are simply your opinions – has to stop. Argue the data. Bring up a point, and tell me where I am wrong.

RR is one of those folks who pays large sums for energy he does not need.

Again, Kit, this may not be the forum for you, because this is not how we will conduct business here. I know you have a long track record of this sort of behavior, but if you are going to do that here you will simply drag the level of discussion down to your level. We aren't going to have that.

RR uses a ridiculous example of algei and cellulosic ethanol which are still in the R&D phase.

Not if you listen to various proponents who are trolling for government money. Besides that, you did not give cost as a criteria. It is a very important criteria. Your argument is circular, in that you say the important criteria are energy "producing energy is to provide it when and where your customer needs it." I point out cost, and you say "Energy is affordable and it is produced cleanly." That's a meaningless, blanket statement. I can point to many sources that do not fit that bill, and yet some of them are being crammed down our throats. Further, I did not say "lowest cost" was the criteria. So do not put words in my mouth. I have consistently said that cost is an important factor. "Lowest cost" is your straw man.

I am prepping to leave for New Zealand today, so I don't have for an extended back and forth with you. Others can deal with you for now. But when time allows, we can certainly get into the data on natural gas versus coal. The emissions for coal are much greater, the environmental impact is much greater, and the industry is inherently more dangerous. If you want to debate that data, then we shall. If you want to debate straw men like "The industry has made changes to overcome the environmental problems…" then you are wasting your time. I have personally pointed out several times that the coal industry has come a long way, so it becomes tiresome to have my own points fed back to me and then framed as if it is a rebuttal.

But "has made changes" is again a meaningless statement unless you characterize where the industry is after those changes. We are going to be about data here, so show up with some. That coal ash spill in Tennessee (only one of many examples I can cite) is not ancient history. People are still dealing with the fallout from that.

RR

Benny,

We're working on fixing the comments so it's more 'fogey-friendly.'

Join the forums and comment there, it's much better suited for the 'old fogies.' All comments made here on the blog will also be displayed in the forums, so you won't be missing out on anything.

In the future, we plan on limiting the comments here on the blog, perhaps to a certain number, and requiring the continuation of the discussion to take place in the forums. The upgraded commenting format, plus the added abilities for members to start their own topic threads, post images etc. should make it well worth for you, and everybody, to register for the forums.

Some of the regulars have already registered, we hope that everyone will follow suit.

Let us know if you have any other issues or suggestions.